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Please send us your latest model (Troubleshooting, 2.1.1) such that we can help you find the source of the unexpected behaviour. My guess: you have accidentally connected the other surface, or the Interface material settings do not allow the expected slip.

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Well, I did as you now described earlyer, than looked at the section provided, with this:

GiD only allows [prism] contact elements between surfaces of the same size and mesh
settings. Therefore, if the two surfaces (lines) to be connected are of different sizes
(partial contact) or with differing meshes, an extra surface (line) needs to be defined of
the size of the smaller of the two, located a small distance, e.g., 0.1mm, inside the
volume the bigger surface belongs to. Please keep in mind the 3 surfaces (lines) can not
share any lines or points (points). The easiest way usually is to copy the smaller surface.
Then, create a contact volume from the two smaller surfaces and assign the desired
interface (GAP) material to it. Finally, connect the additional surface to the bigger

But, here is the how I did it before:

  1. Created two blocks one bigger one smaller in the middle

  2. Copyed the smaller surface on its place and checked the normals

  3. Create volumes, select two small surfaces, one contact volume is made

  4. Fixed contact for surface : Master the big surface, and slave the new smaller surface

  5. Add Interface to the contact volume

  6. Add the other materials

  7. Run, and the blocks are still stuck together

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Hello fiki,
ad 2.: Why 0.1mm? You can create a copy at identical position (it is strongly recommended to make use of Layers to be able to keep track which surface is which...).

Ad 3.: you need to check/correct the normals BEFORE creating the Contact Volume.
Why 2 volumes (from 2 identical surfaces, a single Contact Volume is to be created)?

Ad 9.: You should apply mesh settings BEFORE proceeding with the Copy in point 2. - otherwise, you need to take additional care to make sure both sides of the Contact Volume have identical meshing settings.

3

dpryl,

Thank you for the response. Mabey, you can correct me in the follwong steps:

  1. Made one big block and one smaller in the middle-ouside face of the bigger block

  2. Copy the smaller surface inside the bigger one with the distance 0.1mm

  3. Geometry->create->contact volume => selected the two smaller surfaces => two new volumes created

  4. Fixed contact  for Surface -> Master the big surface -> Slave the smaller surface inside the bigger volume 

  5. Assign material gap to the new contact voumes

  6. Assign material to the blocks

  7. Assign constraint on the lower face of the big block (not were the contact is), so it doesn't slip

  8. Assign displacement on the top face of the small block (not were the contact is), so I could see the sliding

  9. Mesh and run

Thank you in forward

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Hello Fiki,
1. please follow the ATENA-GiD User's Manual, 5.3.6.3 Contacts between Incompatible Meshes. The current version of the document is also available from our web (Products - ATENA - Documentation).

2. Removing all DoFs from a connection corresponds to a "No Connection" option in Engineering 3D, which equals to not having any Fixed Contact for Surface at all. Having the in-plane DoF decoupled means sliding without any resistance, most likely resulting in a singular system matrix.

3. Just guessing a possible additional problem source: please do not confuse the "Fixed Contact for Surface" Condition with "Constraint for Surface".

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Hello,

I recently have started working in Atena GiD and Science. I used to work in Atena Engineering 3D. In Engineering there is a easy way to make contact. Those contact can slide against each other. I can do the same in GiD with interface material and contact volume made from two identical areas. However, if I have uneven areas and make a contact by copying those areas I have to use the fixed surface condition. After that the sliding won't occur. However, I tried to have sliding by removing the z DoF from the condition (picture below). However, If I remove all DoF's error occurs. How can I have the sliding with uneven areas...

http://s15.postimg.org/dxdf55xpn/Unbenannt.png

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